10 Things I Hate About NA

NA and AA save lives. I won’t deny that. However, it’s not for everyone. Many people do not benefit from their practices, and I am one of them.

This isn’t to say I didn’t try. I did, and I enjoyed going to meetings for a short time. But then reality kicked in and I decided instead of living my recovery, I was going to live my life. Which worked wonders for me.

But anyone from NA / AA will tell you I’m not a real addict because of that. So I’ve compiled a list of reasons why NA / AA aren’t for me. Me, the real addict, who dedicated years of her life to screwing over (or screwing) everyone I knew to get my next fix.

(*Note — this is more-so directed towards NA, as I’ve had more experience with narcotics and Narcotics Anonymous than alcohol or Alcoholics Anonymous.)

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1. They tell you right off the bat that they are the only way.

Which pretty much means they lie to you from the beginning. Anonymous is not the only way, as many sober people in the world can attest to. Some people get sober on their own, some need help; some use resources such as NA, and some don’t.

That’s okay, but they don’t want you to know that.

I’d say with a 5% success rate, it’s safe to say they’re not the only way.

NA cult brainwash

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2. They refuse to use the word recovered, only recovering.

I know, I know — once an addict, always an addict. And it’s true that even after being sober for 20+ years, you can easily fall back down and relapse. However, never being able to be recovered lessens your own personal responsibility for getting sober. It’s like, yeah, you’re not using now, but you’re only recovering. You’re not completely off drugs yet.

You never get the satisfaction of knowing you beat it, even if only for a little while.

I remember, before I dove into drugland, when I heard someone say they were recovering I thought they meant they were still using. I thought they were trying not to use, but weren’t quite there yet. Recovering holds the stigma that drug users can never get better. No wonder the world hates us.

recovered recovering addiction

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I didn’t spend my active addiction counting the days I was using, I’m not going to spend my sobriety counting the days I’m sober. I want to live, not count.

I don’t want to feel better than someone else because I have more days than them. I don’t want to feel worse than someone who has more than me. I don’t want my sobriety to be judged by how long it’s lasted. I know plenty of people who have less time than me but are much wiser in their sober experience, and people who have more time but are less wise.

It shouldn’t matter if we’re sober for a day or a year — what matters is that we’re sober at all.

counting days sober sobriety NA

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4. If you take one sip of a drink, you’ve relapsed and have to start counting days again.

First of all, one sip isn’t always relapsing. Sometimes it’s because you’re celebrating; sometimes it’s because you’re thirsty; sometimes it won’t send you spiraling back to the gutters; sometimes it will.

But this idea that you have to start over from the beginning is insane. All the work you’ve done — everything you worked so hard for and your accomplishments and how proud you were of yourself, they steal that from you. It doesn’t matter anymore because you slipped up once. You go back into the category of people with 24 hours or less — the newbies. You’re treated like an active user.

Indulging one time does not always make you an active user. It makes you human.

counting days NA relapse

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5. They pick and choose which ‘drugs’ count.

I was not welcome as a clean member because I was on Methadone or Suboxone during my trial with NA. I was welcome — everyone is welcome — but I was not considered clean or sober.

However, they enthusiastically welcome clean members who drink coffee, smoke cigarettes, and take other ‘prescribed’ narcotic medications. My medications were prescribed, but they’ve decided that’s not enough. They’re convinced I still get high when I can assure you I absolutely do not.

They shun a medication that really saves lives, and that’s damaging.

NA drugs

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6. This Whole Higher Power thing.

Listen, I have nothing against higher powers. I have nothing against God, or “the rooms,” or anything like that. But I didn’t have the time or energy to focus on who or what I wanted to use as my higher being. I just wanted to live, and not feeling such a strong connection to anything to call it my higher power made me feel like a failure.

I used to say living my life is my higher power, or writing is my higher power, but neither of those felt right so I felt like I didn’t belong.

NA higher power

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7. They treat all addictions and people the same.

We’re not all the same. No two people are the same, in fact. No two experiences with addiction are the same.

Thus, one universal cure is impossible. The steps work for some. Not others.

This one’s really simple, so I won’t elaborate. I do not wish to go though the steps one at a time, because that doesn’t work for me. I wish to live my life, try to be a good person, and I’m sure the steps will fall into their own places on my timeline.

NA all the same

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8. They focus too much on addiction.

Yes, I know it’s about addiction and breaking free from it. But damn, do we have to dwell on it that much?

At first, sharing my story helped. Even now I speak and write about it openly. But I felt pressured to think about it all the time. At meetings, which you’re encouraged to attend at least once a week, I heard all about others’ active addictions and recoveries and thought about my own and it was just too much.

Again, I just wanted to live.

I am an addict NA

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9. They replace drugs with meetings.

Seriously. A lot of people are probably going to disagree with me on this one, but that’s what happens.

You know how they told me I was replacing heroin with methadone or Suboxone? Well, they’re replacing their drug of choice with NA itself.

It’s on your mind all the time. You’re either going to a meeting or at a meeting or leaving a meeting or thinking about what you’re going to say at the next meeting or counting days or volunteering. There’s nothing wrong with it — whatever works — but I’ve had people tell me the feeling they get from the rooms can’t compare to drugs.

That’s getting high. High from your community, but high nonetheless.

Of course, I support any kind of sober high. But it didn’t work for me. I’m not in the business of replacing one addiction with another (side note: I’m not mentally addicted to Suboxone, I’m physically dependent on it), and centering my life around NA was not my idea of sobriety.

NA replacing addiction

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10. The people.

The people in NA mean well. I have some incredibly close friends who are extremely active members and speakers and all that other technical jargon. I still love them and am proud of them. But we have history, and they respect my choices.

Any new people I meet seem self-righteous and pretentious. They know all the answers to all the questions and I’m wrong. This goes back to #1 — they say NA is the only way. My ass. If they knew all the answers, they wouldn’t be there in the first place.

The other people are still using. There are so many people who are simply forced to be there and sit in the back, incredibly high, until they get a chance to have their paper signed. I don’t blame them — I was once there. But I don’t want to be around them, either. And there’s no real way around that.

NA people

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Honestly, I think NA is in the brainwashing/cult business. But, like I said, I won’t put down people who get true meaning and enjoyment and life purpose from it. Whatever works for you. It just simply does not work for me, so don’t put me down for doing my own thing to stay sober.

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**I want to note that these are my opinions, based on my experiences with the meetings I’ve been to. I realize not everyone will feel the same way, because not everyone has shared my experiences and certainly no one else has my brain.


Do you think NA is a cult or a life-saver? Have you had good or bad experiences with NA or AA? Are my doodles worse this time than last? Let me know!


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77 thoughts on “10 Things I Hate About NA

  1. I love your style.
    Those who have truly done the work necessary to not have to drink or use for a while know that we know nothing about what another person needs to do to achieve sobriety. We live that AA is about attraction not promotion.
    However, it is the most successful way of abstinence going. That is a fact.

    I just want to point out a few things. The big book says “recovered,” clearly.
    I dont like NA either, it seems most just trade one addiction for another.
    More importantly, our addiction is to being co-dependent because most of us are dissociated from trauma and are shame based. That to me is the true dis-ease we suffer from
    Love your style Nonsense and Shenanigans!

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    • Thank you so much=]

      Of all the meetings I’ve gone to, it was pretty much taboo to say “recovered”. They always put emphasis on the “relapse is a part of recovery” bit so to them, since there’s always chance of relapse, no one is ever “recovered”. That’s why I included it here.

      I don’t think it’s the most successful, honestly. I think it just has the most data, so it seems the most successful.

      I do think NA/AA can be amazing, to the right people. However, everyone I’ve EVER come across who are involved (except for a few close friends) have told me that 1. I’m not a real addict and 2. I’m undoubtedly going to relapse, because NA didn’t work for me.


      • Tempest,
        Show me an idea or concept or program that is more successful. I mean that from being inquisitive.
        As for as the last 2 concepts are concerned, 1) No one knows if another person is or is not an addict. It seems like the “I do it right and dont challenge me because it will make me have to look at my shit instead of projecting my shit onto you,” kind of people who are EVERYWHERE, not just NA. The spiritual axiom I try to live by is simply, “I dont know,” what anyone else should do. Sorry they tried to change you. I would tell them to go fuck themselves!

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        • Oh, I did. Haha. I just have never experienced such rudeness by any other addicts than those in NA. (I actually added a disclaimer to this post stating that these opinions are just based on my experiences from the meetings I’ve been to, etc.)

          Honestly, I don’t know what would be more successful. Many of the successfully sober people I know have my rule — simply “live our lives”. I am finding more and more people speaking out against NA, actually.

          Like I said though, I think there just isn’t enough research or data to tell if NA is actually the most successful. People in NA will tend to contribute to research more-so than people who just did it on their own. There’s still a stigma surrounding addiction, so how do we even find the people who did it on their own? Many may not want to be found. It’s pretty easy to find, study, and survey NA members, though.

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          • My drug of choice was pot, but I found the addicts in NA were too, you know, lets call them tweakers. That was why I found a home in AA. I object to a lot of what goes on in those rooms but it is a place where fellowship abounds.

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        • I would say the percentage of people who the courts forced to stop with threat of imprisonmenr is far more successful than the 12 step program. People who try and quit on their own are equally successful. Yes many fail but I know more people who used to have a problem and quit on their own than I know successful 12 steppers. When you have a success rate of less than 10 percent than maybe it’s not the people that failed the program but the program that failed the people.
          It would help if the program stopped calling addiction a disease. If you drop an addict on a deserted island where there are no drugs or alcohol they will live out there life and die from something unrelated to addiction. Drop a cancer patient or HIV patient on a deserted island and they will die from their disease. Why because it’s real.


  2. My wife, although is very good with her therapy, is very hit and miss with her support groups – for many of the reasons that you state.

    I think one of her (and my) biggest issues is with #6, talking about a higher power. The issue for her is that if they made it “generic” and spiritual, it may be more palatable but they way it is discussed is very Christian oriented.

    Speaking personally I have an issue with it because, in my mind, they are almost saying that they cannot be successful in their recovery without a “higher power” helping them. Really? Do we have so little faith that “mere humans” cannot find the willpower internally to recover?!

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    • “Do we have so little faith that “mere humans” cannot find the willpower internally to recover?!” YES. I should have phrased it that way — you’ve hit the nail on the head, so to speak.

      Most of the meetings/groups/etc. I went to were more spiritual-based, but still, most of the people I know involved in NA do use “God” as their “higher power”.

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      • If its not for you of course, thats fair enough. Live and let live. Why do you even care enough to put so much energy into all this, take a look at that, whats driving you; you might even find some peace…

        Honestly thats like saying I dont belive in ghosts and then constructing loads of equipment to debunk hauntings. You give power to that which you fight.

        Chill out x


  3. Tempest … I’ve thought many of these things myself, but I was an outsider who never had to battle addictions, what did I know?

    As usual, good post.

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  4. Yes, I agree. I was determined to make a go of it in NA. I got a sponsor and called her every day for a year. Did step work and service work even area service. Went to lots of parties and picnics. With my 2nd anniversary looming, I ditched my home group and floated for awhile. I got a new sponsor then broke up with her over Christmas. After that I simply faded away. I don’t use drugs or alcohol. I have a family. Things to do. I’m so much happier without NA in my life. To be fair, it was good for maybe 6 months because of the hugs and love bombing, and getting me out doing something different. But to stay there indefinitely in that negative environment and embroiled in all the members business because they seem to lack personal boundaries and that’s seen as a good thing….nah. Not for me. Thanks for your blog and letting me vent.


  5. Lil t rose
    gorgeous god knows
    insightful red head woman
    my admiration grows
    if at a meeting you ‘d kiss me
    the tweakers there would never miss me
    but the jealous hillary clinton types
    would judge us
    could that ever budge us
    mercy girl your grip is tight
    i go red your knuckles white
    so love it is and love again
    crazy addicts never know when

    I get what you mean. There should be a certain period for all the “go to meetings and make coffee” type of humility. Usually only a few years. “Group therapy” nonsense has corrupted what meetings were up until about the late 1970’s. The girls brought in a lot of “repressed memories” shenanigans and tomfoolery in the early 1990’s. If you lay your “sex life” out at meetings I am going to judge the hell out of you in regards to wether I want you in my life outside of a meeting “circle”. All in all, NA has done a lot of good for decent people who just had a “major problem with drugs”. There are lot of people who come there though to use other people and ride on our “non-judgmental” ways. I suggest people watch the modern remake of LITTLE RED RIDING HOOD and focus on the Keifer Sutherland character. Those types abound in all 12 Step fellowships. My sponsor said I should marry you, but what does he know???


  6. Hi Tempest Rose,

    I agree with your viewpoint. I especially find irritating the way the members talk about themselves and their feelings nonstop and see themselves as sick and in need of fixing. I mean sure, for about five minutes, then it’s time to move on and at least try to be positive. I never really got that about the environment, and people saying how they thought they were okay but thankfully their NA pals let them know otherwise. I think, maybe they WERE okay….it’s like being OKAY is not the point, it’s about being sick and defective and in need of NA. It’s about NA, not about helping people move on with their lives. What a racket. Thanks for your article.


  7. We do not say sober in Narcotics Anomymous. Bottom line, the program is for people who want it NOT for those who need it. It is a very helpful way to come out of lonliness, isolation, despair and powerlessness. Many people do not apply themselves long enough or hard enough. I believe in NA and am aware many folks pock the program apart. It is only a merhod of thinking and living. Nothing more nothing less.


    • Maybe to you. I believe I said that NA does help many people, and that’s great if it works for them. But the way so many newcomers are treated and the “my way or the highway” mentality of NA is harmful. I know plenty of people who have found successful recovery outside of NA, as well.

      And I don’t know where you attend meetings, but around here NA definitely says “sober”. However, I find “clean” even worse because it implies that you were once “dirty”. Which may be how some people view it. I prefer to think I was just lost.


  8. Thank you! Everything I ever felt about NA. I don’t want to count the days since I last used, I want to look forward. I am my own power and I should be able to own it. And… well, basically you made all my points for me. One thing of interest, which may cause some turbulence- I still use Mandy about 2 – 3 times a year on a night out and I still drink (although I don’t really get drunk; I never particularly enjoyed that sensation.) This works for me but it seems that everyone I’ve known or know believes recovered addicts should be fully sober. What does everyone else think?

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    • For me staying away completely from my drug of choice (meth) is the only way I can stay sober. But I have never had a problem with alcohol, although I don’t care for it, and I still may drink a beer or two a year when going out with friends. As to the other drugs, if I used Molly or any upper it would lead back to meth. For me. By the way, I hate NA for the reasons listed in the article. Plus so damn depressing listening to those people bitch and moan.

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      • Agreed. I was just talking to someone about this the other day. I couldn’t imagine being an alcoholic because you literally cannot stay away from alcohol. It’s everywhere. I have little problem staying away from heroin (there is the rare chance that someone might have it around me at some point in my life, but it’s pretty easy to avoid the people I think might). I believe that recovery is a whole process, and you have to find peace within yourself to truly succeed. At this point in my life, I realize it’s not worth it. I dabbled in other drugs since I got off heroin, and each time I realized more and more that they weren’t worth it. The high wasn’t what I wanted, the next day was crap, I had no money. I’d much rather spend my life experiencing new things than getting high. But I had to become comfortable with myself and my life before I made that decision.


    • It’s funny, NA members believe you should be completely abstinent from all illicit substances. Many other sober addicts believe the same. But personally, I still drink about once a month. I’ve dabbled in other things since I stopped doing heroin and slowly came to realize that I don’t really enjoy them much, either, and I’d rather spend my time and money doing something else. But when I am open and honest with people about my use, I find that they become more open and honest with me about theirs — they’re just not willing to disclose the information until I do because it’s so taboo. I even know some people in NA who drink occasionally but would never admit it except to their closest friends. I think whatever works for you, works for you. We are our own person. We are not completely controlled by any part of ourselves, including addiction.


  9. Sorry for the way you were treated.
    But people can’t help it.
    When they see someone ugly and weird looking.. like you… they feel the need to treat you like a fucked up ugly disease infested human.
    Theres a reason the healthy cool people hang out n do other stuff out of meetings, while you are driven to just do meeting daily.
    P.s is that your daughter in the pics up top?
    i feel really sorry for her, her friends are so going to tease her with ‘ur mums uglky as fuck though’
    sorry about your mug.
    Have a nice day u dirty tubby bitch haha


  10. Dear Tempest
    I found your post to be extremely helpful. One thing a lot of people miss is that AA & NA have very small success rates. I liked how you said the thing about cliche language. Friend of Bill, Cotton in the mouth, and the worst of all “keep coming back”. I find it fascinating how the phrase “keep coming back” can be used as a term of encouragement while also being used as a way of shutting down a conversation or disagreement about he NA process. I also find it very creepy when the group says “keep coming back” in unison. From what I can gleam, the phrase is most often used after someone with little clean, “a nrwcomer” speaksup in a meeting. It is as if the group is saying “great story, but your not worthy to talk yet.”
    I was at a meeting once where a guy actually said “newcomers need to keep their mouths shut & listen up?” Seriously? How can the newcomer be the most welcome and important member of the group and also the most s**t upon?
    Studies have shown that perhaps only 8-10% of AA & NA first timers will achieve real sobriety in the program. However, these statistics are hard to get completey accurate due to group anobimty… all in all you are spot on, but, I think we all need to realize that NA and AA do have a very difficult cult mentality. If the statistics are accurate it would help to explain why NA & AA have such a culture of putting down newcomers and placing “top cult.memebrs” AKA those with 10, 15, 20 yes sober in positions of power. NA may claim it is a leaderless group, but anyone who knows what Quakers are like can easily tell this is not true. NA and AA take those suffering from physchological and physical addictions — these are people who already feel powerless, then they tell them.they actually are powerless and the only way is to accept the God of NA as your master. It is not until folks get a year or two of sobriety that they are allowed to share more. There is no dialogue in NA and AA – everything is a one sided conversation. And after 5 or 10 years of sobriety who wants to sit around and talk about addiction multiple times a week. I totally agree with and love your 10pt article, but I think you are too soft on AA & NA. They are selling something and it comes with a price. I think of that scene from the Bourne movies wheere the doctor tells David Webb “are you ready to commit yourself fully to this program”. AA and NA have brainwashed all of US culture in to thinking that 12 step programs are the path to sobriety and for some they are, but AA and NA do not have a true group conscience and the program involves a lot of hazing. Lastly, id like to say that in films AA and NA recovery meetings are held in nice church basements with maybe 6-10 sitting in a circle, but I have never seen circular seating at any NA or NA meeting nor have I seen meetings where a small group gives a chance for everyone to share. NA meetings are often radius affairs with some random old-timer talking about all the horrible things drugs and alcohol put them through & how the program “saved their life”. Oh and a little but of (G-O-D). And finally, if they aren’t a Christian Cult, why is the closing prayer taken right from the New Testament of the Christian Bible……

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    • Thank you for your input! I do agree with you — I feel the need to come back to this post in the future and expand on it. I was forced into a very NA-based rehab about two years ago and we had NA speakers come in to talk to us and I hated the way we were treated. First they were “proud” of us for taking the steps to get help, but then everything we thought, did, or said was wrong. Every meeting is a bit different and I know some people have better lives being in NA, but I really wish the world would open its eyes to NA NOT being the only way, it’s actually the failing way. I’ve talked to so many people over the years who have the same mindset as me — setting goals for themselves in their life, living without the chains to addiction (NA is one), learning to have peace within themselves, etc. — and they are all doing extremely well. Another cliche saying is “Treat the addict, not the disease” and “Use ‘I’ statements because we’re not all the same” but I’ve literally never seen anyone in NA follow that method. If they did, I think we might have a chance.


      • Am drawn to conrol as i cant take charge of my life i dont own it but am feeling more and more isolated in n.a. there are some really nice people but on facebook the prettiest girl gets 40 comments then me if any maybe im jusy unlikeable dont know


  11. That was awesome I’m leaving Na after 11 years. I’m tired of feeling guilty and shame for not living up to standards dictated to by people who I don’t respect and don’t trust. As a female I
    Found it very sexist to be powerless over anything especially after getting out of a bad relationship. I’m tired of the predators and the hypocrisy that exist. The don’t say a word it’s there disease policy makes me sick.
    Meaning people know of the predators but nothing is being done about it. It Is a cult and I’m doing the right thing even though it feels very difficult sometimes not having the social aspect. But nevertheless I’m pushing forward to greater things.

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    • I’m happy for you! I know this response is very delayed so I hope you have been successful in your choices. I personally have found that having the proper, NON-addicts in my life has helped me tremendously. Just because they haven’t been there doesn’t mean I can’t go to them when I’m craving or having a hard time.


  12. Just came across this and as the wife (for the moment) of an avid NA member I agree wholeheartedly with the way you say it’s cult like,I refer to it as his cult….just to clarify I HATE NA it has taken over his life to the extent that people who were strangers a few months ago are more important then his wife and children.when I have said to him that the whole point was for us to have a proper life together all I get told is he has a commitment!….don’t worry about his commitment to us.I am now in the process of finding a flat so I can leave him and never have to listen to the NA bollocks again

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    • I’m so sorry you had to experience this. I’ve seen stuff like this many times — my husband hated it when I went to IOP but it was mandated and I actually found one that wasn’t 12-steps obsessed and enjoyed it. Personally my best route to recovery was to NOT surround myself with other addicts — sober or not. There are many ways out there that simply don’t have the publicity that NA does. I hope your husband finds one one day. I know this is a delayed reaction — if you see this comment, please let me know how things are going.


  13. Been doing Heroin 2012-15. I got caught by police and did a brief stint in jail+rehab… I was forced to do 30 in 30 NA meeting and 2 times a week after that… On top of it I was forced an opiate group once a week that practiced NA. I was living more in hell going to NA than I was in addiction. The reason I say that is because the more I sucked in their bullshit the more I have seen of relapses… Including myself. I was trying the program and yet everyone around me were dropping like flies. They say even is you use its expected, just keep coming back. It’s all gobbilty goop. When I strayed from the program and set goals for myself, stopped giving my 110% to the program my life soard in blessings. I haven’t used since. I am accomplishing more and more each day and living a happy life without the reminder of my using. If you believe in triggers which I don’t, I think it’s a bullshit excuse to use without consequences… How is talkin about it and hearing about it in meetings not a trigger for multiple people?. I can understand a speaker or a theorapist but to have addicts around a table bullshitting and bragging about shit does not help. Still till this day I see multiple people relapsing including home group leaders from my old NA spots. I’m just sitting back watching the show.

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    • I completely agree. I do believe in triggers, but I think they’re more-so mental health triggers. I have been trying to help a friend get into a detox and he has the same first name as an old friend who unfortunately passed away, who I also used to try to help get help. When the person I was speaking to asked me my friend’s name and I told her, all the old memories came rushing back to me and I had to take a mental break because I knew it wasn’t good for me. However, realizing that and putting a stop to it before it overwhelmed my brain and I did something stupid was the key. Many people can learn to do this, instead of just being taught to “avoid triggers”, because that’s damn near impossible. I’m also setting goals and living my life and am enjoying every minute of it.


  14. I have a hard time with AA/NA myself. I am on methadone, have been for 2+ years, hopefully will be completely off soon tho. however, I’m not rushing it.

    anyways I have been totally put off of meetings because every time I disclose that I am on methadone to a friend in the program or someone I meet before/after a meeting, they totally shun me, or tell me to “not mention it”, or tell me that I’m not clean. I haven’t used an illicit drug in over 2 years and despite the fact I’m on methadone, I work thru my cravings and am trying to live a happy life and be a better person – I consider that to be clean.

    the first person at a meeting who talked down to me for being on MMT, ended up admitting on facebook a month or so later that she had been secretly using for 6+ months and asked for all of her loved ones and NA support group to support her as she came back from her relapse. of course everyone supported her (as they should!) although I’m sure her NA friends talked shit behind her back, like they usually do. anyway it made me laugh because I realized she was probably high (or on her way to go get high) a month earlier when she disparaged me for being on methadone.

    anyway I feel really lonely sometimes because I feel like I have no one to talk to. the rooms are the major recovery social scene in my area. I feel like I don’t fit in with the active addicts I know because I don’t use and I don’t fit in with the people who go to AA and NA because (in their eyes) I’m not clean. it kinda sucks

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    • I completely understand. I’ve noticed that, throughout my recovery, the more open and honest I am with other people I meet about having been on methadone and suboxone and still drinking from time to time, that other people will admit the same things to me. I stay away from NA, because it’s just not my thing, but I got really lucky to attend an awesome IOP that encouraged me to find my own path to recovery. If you can, look for more recovery communities that might be more accepting. I know they are hard to find, but don’t let that discourage you.



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    • This disclusion of people on methadone, bup & other drugs for treatment is the discrimination all over. I am also on pain killers, my doctor has me on Hydro Morphone and Tapentadol and Methadone is 1/3 part pain management. All the S8 and other opiates are for part reason for pain management and part for addiction management. I was managing addiction first and then when i was hospitalised for pain issues all my s8’s where put up. where does pain management stop and addiction management begin?
      S8’s are controlled drugs in Australia; s8’s include pain killers, morphine, methadone etc.

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      • It’s a tricky slope, managing pain and addiction. A lot of people out there don’t realize there is a difference between “addiction” and “dependence”. If you are on a drug for pain management, you are dependent. It’s when it negatively affects your brain and life that it becomes an addiction (in short). One of my main problems with NA is that they don’t accept dependent people — although I’m dependent on my antidepressants but they don’t count that? It’s too one-sided. Everyone should do what is best for them, and a support system as big as NA should encourage them to find what works for them instead of forcing a single (failing) model on everyone.


    • I went to an IOP that claimed they were 12-step based, but had a LOT of wiggle room. The counselors were amazing in helping and encouraging people to find their own path to recovery, understanding that one way did not work for all. When I explained to them my problem with higher powers, they helped me learn that (although NA preaches against it) I, myself, could be my higher power. A better life could be my higher power. Science could be my higher power. I’m not religious or spiritual in any way, but I believe in being the best me I can be, and that works for me. Addiction Recovery services need to become more lenient and stop preaching a (failing) method on everyone. This is the most success I’ve had in my life in a long, long time (I’m off everything now, and very happy). There are some good programs out there, but they are far and few between. My only advice is to try to find the right one, even if it takes a long time. Don’t let the discouragement bring you down.


  16. I feel very spiritual by myself…..setting spiritual boundries….when people notice I am comfortable with my inner self they are intimidatef ld spiritually and resent me…..I am not apart of theyre nonsense immature click like behavior and how they would rather be sick and rely on other sick people because theyre mind body and soul is too incapable of receiving the gift of gods grace……to have a true connection to the spirit is a divine connection to your self….having boundries means having high value in yourself….not allowing others to disrupt you…..confidence….NA members like to be supportive and want you sick…..if you have been doing better than them for a while then share that your struggling they love it because they think they finally can tell you what to do….I havent gone to my homegroup for 2 weeks and its like theyseen a ghost…..to be stuck in theyre program is fear based….if you show that your not living in fear like they are is very intimidating and you dont have to go to meetings every day and live in fear because when you have a connection to the divine spirit you can feel comftorble in life which is to recover……smart choices…helping those that are close in your circle….setting and maintaining boundries and having a true sense of self and spirit following your instincts and staying clean is recovery…..I plan on attending meetings but I dont allow others to affect me by trying to get close enough to knock me off my horse…..they feel theyre helping but they are not they are gossiping about you and are miserable people….I have observed and I am living a new recovery and have a new found sense of self and spirit….not because people loved me until I loved myself but because I have a third eye view and can see through the fasad…smoke in mirrors….and am confident and dont need the fellowship to have a false sense of recovery….I knew that all along and still tried to fit in….I am even happier now that I can see the truth and live it….spirituality can be a lonely road but it is so worth it….I love myself and am so empowered when I see myself in a higher level of consciousness not everyone can see and feel this way and thats okay but I have been through so much in life and to see things this way is the most refreshing feeling in life……Its a beautiful feeling to live in spirituality because it is like you have a high value and the ones who see that and also do will naturaly surround them selves with value….Life can be amazing and im living proof….dont allow nothing less

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    • My mom’s the same way. She’s not an addict but she has dealt with many in her life and has found her own sense of spirituality and has never been happier or more free. I wouldn’t say I’m spiritual but I live my life my best possible way and it’s working for me. =]


  17. Im quiting NA , some people there are Nice, but then you have the people that think they now everything.
    And if you not doing This or that then your a failure…. I fucking had enough of This shit… I gonna live my life, without having anxiety for taking a beer, that what they do in NA . They brainwash you.. Had enough! I can have a much better life without NA.

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  18. I totally agree with this article! I was in NA/AA for 10 years. I started going when I was 19(36 now) and was one of those type of members that told newcomers that you couldn’t make it without the program. I spent over 10 years of my life in these programs. It wasn’t until I was around 30 my best friend who I knew since I started going to NA basically shunned me. What I mean is that I stopped going for about a month due to my child and relationship and I didn’t have time to get involved. Well, needless to say when I called him a month later he told me that I was dead to him and thought I relapsed because I didn’t go to meetings. That’s when I stopped going and the light bulb came on. I won’t go more into it but the 11th step is a total and utter joke! conscious contact with god? who am I jesus? The 12 steps DO NOT WORK. All they did for me is made me realize what a piece of crap I was and made me feel worse about myself. Not too mention that no person is truly “powerless” over their addiction. Anyways i’ll get off my soap box…nice article.

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    • Thank you! I hate that powerless line. It makes us feel weak. We’re not weak — we’re some of the strongest people out there. And “higher power other than yourself”? My higher power is myself and my abilities and it’s been working for me.


  19. Beautifully written. Thank you so much. I am 2 weeks into an NA program and to be honest they are very clicky and judgemental, theres many assholes in NA

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  20. I really don’t appreciate what you had to say one bit Na And addiction no you don’t fully recover from addiction sorry to inform you and you use anything mood altering yes is relapse ,no you aren’t clean if on something like Meldone or what ever give you head shake read the Basic text or sorry you haven’t,NA has saved life lady really I don’t you blasting it on friggin intenet either


    • Thanks for your input. Actually, I have read all of the AA and NA propaganda, but I guess that point was lost on you. I also guess you didn’t read the part where I note that it saves lives, but it sure as hell didn’t save mine. I did that. But anyway, if you don’t appreciate someone blasting something you believe in on the internet, maybe you should stay off the internet. There’s some crazy shit out there. Have a nice day!


    • Jesus Christ, do you not proof read at all? This is exactly what the article is talking about. Know-it-alls like you make it nearly insufferable. Are you not even aware what Methadone is? I assume drinking coffee or smoking a cigarette is a relapse in your eyes too? They are certainly mood altering. Caffeine & nicotine are two very strong drugs.

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        • Of course they did haha there’s not an answer that works with AA/NA. I asked the director at the inpatient place I was at about it and he actually confirmed he wanted those banned too and they were a real problem. That actually made me respect him a fair bit more

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  21. I’m very offended by your click bait title you should be ashamed of your self . There are real cults out there , write about Scientology being a cult I dare you . You seem very small minded and negative , people like you make my brain hurt I hope for your sake your just trying to get a pat on the back and to hear people agree with you . This was my first and last article written by you what a absulute waist of my time


    • Having a post titled “10 Things I Hate About NA” and then listing 10 things I hate about NA is clickbait? Haha okay. This isn’t a post comparing cults. This is a post about why I don’t like NA. It’s pretty simple, actually. If you don’t like my content, I absolutely do not mind you not visiting again. I don’t make any money off this site whether you visit or not, I simply do it to speak my mind. So have fun doing things you consider not time-wasting, like leaving comments telling people they wasted your time..


  22. Interesting post.
    I believe some of your points are probably because you were on the outter circle of the rooms. You made up judgements n theories in your mind off the little amount of experience you had. …
    Basically… there is a lot of good in the rooms.. it can get you off replacement drugs and actual drugs. (Massive difference between clean and on methodone/subox) ur mental thinking is totally different.
    I think na has plenty of good to offer. If you dont get sucked into the drama n people that are too into it. It changed my life. In such a positive way.

    In saying that… i think everything u said is accurate to some degree. And i think the people that are 2 years clran still attending 5+ meetings are fucked. .
    I didnt quit drugs to sit around talking about drugs..

    Live life is a great motto.

    Sorry for my bipolar post. Part of me thinks you didnt experience the good in NA.
    N the other part thinks u nailed how fuxked NA can be… its a great thing for early recovery though… it helped me ao much in my first 6 months. When i had no “sober” friends n stuff to do. But i am not going to spend my life going..

    So much ranting.. haa..

    I hope you have a wonderful life. Drugs are a cunt. U might be the first redhead i like. Hahaa….
    Love from australia. Xo

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    • Thank you! I get it, I know a LOT of people who did/do very well attending meetings. It just didn’t work for me, and I didn’t just go to two and stop. I did get off methadone and suboxone on my own and haven’t used since, so I am a pretty firm believer that NA is not the only way. I am also still an advocate for those medications because I think they save lives. To each their own, as long as we can accept each other’s paths as well. =]

      (Also I’m no longer a readhead, my hair changes more frequently than my underwear.) (Not really, but close.)


  23. I just got out of rehab. I left early because I couldn’t get my head around step three. The idea that I had to turn my will and life over to God in order to recover made my stomach churn. I believe in God whole-heartedly but I also believe in free will and choice. God’s not going to make me better. Sobriety is my choice. North Korea is about to be wiped off the map because the Korean people have turned their will and lives over to a deranged dictator.

    I got sick of the Table thumpers too, who claimed Na was the only way, while bagging alternatives such as Canada’s harm minimization program. Iv’e seen that alternative save lives.

    I made a decision a long time ago never to hand my personal power over to anybody or anything ever again. That’s part of the reason I was in rehab in the first place. In the end my core beliefs and the twelve steps were radically different and I couldn’t stay. Cognitive behavioural therapy, talking honestly and openly with my wife and counselor is my preferred choice of recover.

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